So – the results for everything but the shop made varnish were pretty abysmal. the varnish is an odd choice, and you may be thinking “what about polyurethane” and so on, I’d imagine thinned, that would also work fine. You don’t want a heavy coat on anything and finsihes with adhesion problems will just come off and that’ll be ugly as it’s going to occur over a period of time and be about as attractive as a peeling car hood.
I used varnish because it’s tolerant of a lot of things and will still have good adhesion and toughness. In short, it could actually be practical in this case, even as a base for under wax.
To see how deep the damage is, I put the varnished sample aside – in reality if I were using it, I’d scuff it with steel wool and wipe on again to get rid of the deglossed spots. But for the others, I spent about 15 seconds on each spot with #00 steel wool. Here is how the Ceramic Finish sample fared:
It’s not that bad in the center, but there is dimension and depth to the rust at the edges and steel wool will not remove it. If you have a prized cast iron surface, this is disaster that you won’t just sand out. Fail, all the way around where plain standing water is concerned.
Shellac – expect disaster, and that’s what we find:
The remaining rust with depth is more vivid and the larger damage more uniform. Fail all around.
And the carnauba wax after steel wool:
Apologies on this -the test was a bit of an afterthought and only the darkened areas on the bottom of the right side plate are from the carnauba – I didn’t clean all of the rust off of it around the edges that was there before starting. But surprisingly, most of what is left is discoloration and there is nothing with a three dimensional feel.
Fail chasing perfection, but success – surprisingly – a very practical solution for moderate rust control.
I did nothing further with the varnished sample.
The results of this are fairly important to me, but because I have water in the shop for tool grinding purposes. Once in a while, i run around and dribble a few drops where I didn’t want to and find the result later. I’ll be using Carnauba where oil isn’t durable enough, and varnish where Carnauba may not wear long enough or provide needed protection for a non-work surface.
I do have a problem with vapor/humidity rust on bar stock and am lazy about doing anything because metalwork results in the loss of the mill surface. However, i have once in a while found that the rust missed on stored bar stock goes deep enough that I have to do further grinding or lapping to get that out, and that’s avoidable. I’ll think about maybe coating three pieces of metal to test if seasonal rust is stopped by all three – I’d imagine it may be, and the results might not be interesting in a daily use sense vs. storage or calamity, but still in my mind sticks the whole thought of “the ceramic coatings are sold as a plus step on finishes”, what good are they if you already have a good finish. Nothing that i can tell.
If you like to see water bead, you can actually buy 20-nanometer silica from china and mix it in whatever you’re using. This is probably not how the refractory resin in the ceramic finsihes exists, but the feel and the dazzling water beading effect is the same.
And the Nanosilica there also does not make anything waterproof if it wasn’t already. I just assumed from the top that the actual finish used beyond the whiz bang water beading effect would be much more like a legitimate finish than it is.
When rust is mentioned in comments or on forums or reddit or wherever, or even locally by friends of mine, there’s always disbelief that some basic product that isn’t value added and massaged into a sow’s-ear silk purse is suitable. Boeshield may work, some other urethane finish in a little bottle might work, but I doubt any of these things work as well as the basic components you already have around. if you have your own oil, but think it needs rust inhibitor – test that first. If you still think it does, find out what the rust inhibitor is. Chances are whatever is being marketed at you is 1 unit of value sold for you at 10, 20 or 100 units of cost. No thanks.
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do you have an online link to that? It looks like it may be on the web archive, but I see something named similarly but using 46 gun lubes and “rust preventers and water displacers, etc”. the winner in that one was something called “frog lube”.
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I think that protecting tools and protecting large surfaces (like machine beds) are two different things. Hand tools are quite easily protected by putting them into boxes, e.g. drawers or cupboards — enclosures seem to dampen sharp changes in temperature enough so that a simple wipe with an oily rag is enough for daily drivers. So does polishing and chemical treatments like gun blue or that spray can rust converter (I think it has phosphoric acid in it, but it’s a guess). Btw, there’s 3 types of rust (iron oxide), and one of them is actually beneficial: the black one we usually see at the bottom in pitting. That’s the most stable form of oxidation and once it forms it doesn’t allow any other oxidation to happen. It rarely forms on its own in normal conditions, but first gun bluing method ever was just that – create conditions for stable oxidation to appear through hot steam application to gently rusted surfaces. Still used by tsuba makers afaik, but the process is long and laborious.
For large surfaces that can’t be enclosed we have to go deeper. Rusting happens under two conditions: acidic environment (pH < 7.0) and presence of water. Since moisture can’t be removed from the equation, we have to provide an alkali environment one way or another. The simplest way is soap, of course, but if you really want a spotless surface then lye/caustic soda is the way to go — nothing will rust even when splashed. It will be a hassle to apply, but I guess for large pieces that stored for a long time it could worth it.
If I had some kind of machine that’s exposed to elements, idk, a Woodmizer’s bed or something – I’d probably consider cathodic protection, but that’s something 99% of us will never need.
I think the results you’ve got with rosin is largely due the fact that lime is strongly alkaline. Waxes and all those protectors didn’t work because they don’t form a film thick enough, and once water gets under – it’s a game over. I had a couple of Narex chisels that I’ve bought in a moment of weakness, but never used. They come with quite a thick layer of protective varnish(?? goes off with paint thinner, but slowly), it got a couple of scratches, water got in and it blistered. Damage spots were larger than a quarter coin and it raised that plastic film. Most of hydrocarbon oils produce a film that’s easily damaged and they evaporate, that’s in line with what you’ve got.
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