The Plague of Influencers and Affiliate Programs

I’m fresh off of a tirade writing about WBW elsewhere and the stupid affiliate programs all over the place leading to Jabronis (my opinion) pretending that they know something or “have a new favorite” only to put up a revenue token link and never just level with audiences and say “listen, I really only put this video up because when you click on this link, I get a temporary window of a day or two where you buy anything from the retailer and I get money from it.”.

And, of course, it’s not just WBW – it’s every other no accomplishment or mediocre accomplishment person showing their new favorite this or that or a supposed “test” result that just allows linking a whole gaggle of affiliate links at once.

What a plague all of that stuff is. Wood Whisperer telling you about his new favorite rust protection? The revenue link corresponds with the company boasting about a 20% affiliate commission, while the presenter tells you “he bought the product” in a lot of cases, which is misleading. My opinion is that it’s intentional – you would probably get far more than 5 additional sales (erasing your cost) by implying that you just chanced upon something and omitting you’re getting a huge affiliate commission.

It’s pretty much nematodes and tardigrades in the world of woodworking, though. Everywhere and permanent. You don’t immediately see it, but the whole system is set up to create separation between you and retailers or manufacturers while implying that the transition person laundering the information is impartial or “a friend”. A friendly person who never manages to tell you their actual incentive, or recommend things from a full menu of choices without bias in their wallet’s favor.

How do you tell? This isn’t the acid test, but I’ll tell you a story and then tell you one of the acid tests. My dad is retired. He doesn’t do much for investing, aside from give someone his money. He leaked to me a few years ago that he was going to talk to a financial advisor. My dad also gets more pension and social security income than he spends by a wide margin (he’s cheap), so the last thing he needs is an annuity. I said “make sure you don’t do something stupid like buy an annuity that you’re being sold just because it’s far more profitable for an advisor than it would be for them to collect a fee and direct you toward index investments”. His response was “I don’t think he’ll try to do that, I already bought two annuities from him”. A-hole alert. You won’t know enough to know my dad’s financial situation, but I do – no independent advisor is acting in my dad’s interest doing that and my dad could be protected by elder law at his age. He insisted that the advisor is very friendly and has a lot of clients and they all like him. Well, his advisor definitely was successful ad curating a group of clients who aren’t investment savvy and judge advice by smile and whether or not there is free stuff like coffee.

I said “the guy is an A-hole and he should be prosecuted if he’s your financial advisor and not a captive insurance agent or someone who you’d clearly know only wants to sell annuities”. My dad was offended, obviously I’m implying he’s been had and he wasn’t aware of commissions or the idea of annuity income when you’re already unable to spend the income you have. I said “OK, here’s your asshole test. If he tries to sell you another annuity, you’ll know he’s an asshole if you don’t already. I’m telling you ahead of time. It’s pretty easy to smile and give someone coffee if you’re bagging a $5k commission for an hour sitdown”.

I had to break through what my dad felt was a good trusted relationship, and suddenly he had to be whatever pilled you would call it where he understood what was going on, and not only did it put a cloud over him for going to the meeting, or potentially, it made him feel stupid, and while he’s not the same kind of “questioning and digging asshole that I am” (a whole different kind of a-hole!!). Nobody likes to hear, either, that they could be protected by elder law prosecution, because that’s code for “you’re senile and dumb” to a lot of people.

My dad was unhappy with me, audibly, and I value my relationship with my dad a lot. He is rock solid and I would trade him for nobody else. Later that night, he called and he’d gotten enough time to get a little removed from knowing that his son can be inconsiderate or impolite when it comes to lining out something that’s a problem with principle, and he said “Well, I just wanted to call and let you know. You’re right. He tried to sell me an annuity. He said it returns 8%, so what’s your son’s problem?”. I had given him a no-authority order tell the advisor to call me and why – tell him I want to have him call me, what I do for a day job, and I want him to explain why a financial advisor or planner would recommend an annuity. I used something from my secret underground and estimated the cost of an annuity for someone his age and found the yield to be around 2% after expenses. The payment was about 8% per year of the single premium for the annuity. Of course, his advisor was an A-hole, and gave him the fake act of “sure, I’m going to call your son and explain it to him”. Of course, the guy never called, and my dad later called him and he said “he changed his mind”.

Would this have really hurt my dad? No, he’d still have more money than he could spend, but it’s an issue on principle. I have no clue if I’ll get an inheritance and don’t plan for it and don’t really care – it’s my dad’s choice, and I explained to him that if he found a worthwhile charity, I’d rather he give 100% of his money to the charity than will me anything while giving half of his money to an advisor who misled him. And my dad proudly announced I wouldn’t have to worry about that because his advisor (late 40s in age) had sold his company and was retiring.

That’s a long story, but if I could influence a few people to bust that kind of crook, it’d be worth it without question.

Back to influencers. How do you tell someone is an A-hole? My definition. They provide you with information about their “favorite thing”, a “test of various products”, “secret tips” or anything else, and what they’re discussing includes some combination of links to amazon with the word “redir” or “token” on it, and possibly direct links to the products they’re talking about with more in the URL when you hover over the link than just the base website of the maker.

You have every right to ask them how much the commission is on what they’re talking about, and why they don’t disclose affiliate program details as part of talking about something. Just saying “i might get a small commission on some things sometimes” isn’t enough. It’s avoiding the subject, and the information should be specific about the video and about what’s provided. Why doesn’t the Wood Whisperer go nuts telling you about all of the various ways he’ll earn affiliate commissions on a video that purports to be a test about various hard wax oils? Simple, because if he did, many would start to think a little longer, and more folks would probably do what I do – request Youtube eliminate suggesting videos from “creators”, one by one, if the videos have revenue token links or sponsorships and the presenter doesn’t make a pretty big deal about what they’re getting from all of that.

You can certainly decide that I’m just a grouchy rotten person who is peeing on campfires, and I think that’s fine. I’m not really that big on telling people what to do, but rather floating some information out there. I can guarantee you when you are the kind of a-hole that I am (operating on principle, even when it just seems really negative sometimes), people will have the same feeling my dad did. “But I liked that guy”.

What got me on this today? I upset someone who was recommending “carbon method” rust preventive because the wood whisperer recommended it. I didn’t know anything about it other than that it makes little sense as a rust preventive and the wood whisperer figured that even though he used it and got rust on his table saw, it would be worth making another video about it and saying he still liked it. Why do I think he made the video? Well, a good starting guess would be the publicly advertised 20% affiliate commission, though we don’t know what WW’s link token really gets him. It could be more, or it could be less. I doubt the latter, but who knows – I’ve seen online retailers get short arms when someone is especially good at referring people to them, and change the terms of an affiliate program. I have a special distaste in this case, because the person who was glowing about the video and passing it along to other people made the very big pronouncement “well, he said he bought it on his own”. Well, here’s a potential scenario for everyone to think about. You are an influencer, you find a product that has a 20% affiliate commission and you buy it hoping that you can get it in a video and then perhaps get a relationship that’s even a little more special than that. Do you think influencers might be more interested in shopping affiliate programs than products? I do. You may disagree.

But I think if you start to observe this pattern, and you’re aware of it, you may start to change your opinions just as my dad now is fully comfortable that his advisor was an A-hole and he’s more comfortable that I’m not calling him dumb for being taken on investment decisions he signed off on.

Today, I learned that WBW tested some new irons and he’s impressed by them. Guess what. There’s an affiliate link to what he’s talking about for at least one of the products. I bought one of the same iron (the 10V iron tested here). I have no idea what to do with it – the alloy seems to have potential but it doesn’t pan out used side by side with simpler steels because of the way the edge is as it wears. Did I pay for it? yes. Did I ever refer anyone to collect something from the site’s affiliate program? Absolutely not. Did I ever do that anywhere on any platform with anything? Absolutely not.

Different person, same site, with an upbeat pleased feeling to be passing the information along from the video. I think they probably aren’t considering why the video was made in the first place. A link to the right for a recommended short let me know that WBW also has a new favorite marking knife. It’s $120 and made out of about $3 of Nitro V steel….he boasted that in 6 months, he hadn’t had to sharpen it. Nitro V steel wears about as long as A2 – it’s pretty easy to keep a pristine edge on a tool if all you need it for is to make a video to collect revenue through an affiliate token. Guess what the description of the video had in it – a reference token to the site to buy the knife. What do the people who are the viewer version of my dad at the advisor’s office get out of the video? A guy they like has a new favorite marking knife that lasts forever compared to other knives (it won’t – there’s no shortage of catra and toughness testing information for the steel alloy – it’s basically a variation of AEB-L steel, itself being very cheap), and since the video shows such a large number of other knives, it implies that this commission-yielding marking knife is unique. I don’t know what the token link sends back to the video creator – maybe in affiliate interest it is. Maybe it’s not that high of a commission and just another day at the office. I don’t think most people stop to think “maybe this is about generating commission revenue in the first place”, or want to learn more about the steel to find out if it’s really long wearing and really expensive, or if it’s just a very expensive marking knife made out of fairly common materials.

I named a couple of “creators” here – it’s awkward. That should not be confused with me saying these are the two worse or that there aren’t 2000 of the same thing. I’d bet you could find your favorite alcohol infused flying bugs to be doing the same thing, and just about everyone else. Left behind are the videos from people like Curtis Buchanan – actually telling you things that will make you want to go to the shop to do more than open a box and then lose interest and go buy something else.

10 thoughts on “The Plague of Influencers and Affiliate Programs”

  1. It’s a down right plague and it is refreshing to see someone point it out. I stumbled on to your YouTube videos about a year ago and thought to myself that this is what the internet used to be like. I’m a veteran of the old usenet era and remember guys just talking about making stuff and tools and such, then getting back to the shop. Sure there were guys selling hand forged holdfasts or cut nails, but they were bringing value with their work. Advertising destroyed the shop magazine industry and now it’s destroying what’s left of the net. The sad thing is that so many guys will never get to know the joy of making something with what you actually need, and you don’t actually need much. Thanks for sharing what you do!

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  2. I was going to comment on the reddit post, but while I was collecting my thoughts you have posted this.

    I consider what was described in these posts to be different aspects of the same core issue. Some people could say this is just whining about Eternal September, but I think it’s not that, it’s something else and it is way worse. Internet has been commoditized a long time ago, 10 or maybe 15 years back. It was done with profits as a sole motive. The people you have mentioned are just tools of this new system that produces all this garbage. But they’re worse than that, because they knowingly and willingly pollute the medium even further. The aforementioned Rex is a prime example — somebody with zero knowledge, experience and literally zero skills, who just blindly copy similar channels and gaming (or paying) the system to be shoved into as many feeds as possible. At the same time people that really know things and share what they know get penalized in a sense their videos can be found by a direct link only. This is really, really messed up. And it messes up these people too, e.g. some Wranglestar is like half step away from slipping into a mad prepper mode — ‘cos it sells these days.

    And then there’s people that comment under those videos. I would assume they’re just bots, but the way they swarm on anyone expressing even a slightest shadow of doubt that maybe WBW has no idea about what he’s peddling. I think forums were a canary in a coal mine and it seems we’ll be back to local guilds and clubs (where we can at least validate what people can do) in no time. And maybe that would be for the better.

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    1. I guess the thing that irritates me about it is there was some level of interesting on the internet before 2010 or so. Adsense and youtube made it so that we suddenly started seeing 24 people show a video defining the parts of a hand plane, or talking about mixing thinner, oil and polyurethane together to make a “custom finish”. Of course, that still exists, but it comes redirect tokens to harvested revenue from suckers.

      The array of information discussed on forums prior to that was like open mic Karaoke instead of the idiots’ payola version we get now. Inevitably, it has cheated some people who would’ve liked to make things, but most of the fanatical audience probably wouldn’t be woodworking if it weren’t for the 90/10 split or so (watch it 90% of the time, do it 10%). That makes for a militant group of perhaps partially included optimists (“maybe he really did make that video (with 14 affiliate links) because he really does like what he’s talking about”)…militant folks who don’t want their favorite part of the hobby squashed.

      Love the bots comment – wouldn’t be a surprise. There’s definitely plenty of it on other topics.

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  3. “Influence Marketing” is an entire industry. Woodworking shill videos are pretty common and pretty open. How long was it after the Bridge City founder retired and sold to Harvey that a bunch of woodworking nubs were singing the praises of Harvey and Bridge City? How hard is it to find a YT woodworker without a tool wall of red squares. Not sure how much Saw Stop spends but you would think that there is only one table saw, except a guy who picks up old tools at equipment auction who restored an old UniSaw or green Powermatic. Unless they are outwardly sponsored so the low end has a snot green Royobi, or orange Triton power tools. It goes on and on. It will probably only get worse. I have even know of cases outside of the woodworking world that Instagram “influencers” getting paid to have a particular website at the top of their recommendation list.

    I tend to watch everything through the filter. A great YT takedown of the shill video masquerading as information is the spontaneous combustion by BMW and the take down by AVE.

    BMW – https://youtu.be/3Gqi2cNCKQY
    AVE Take Down – https://youtu.be/GEtU3bYyCtA and https://youtu.be/PybuHB9gc_U

    If the product is free, at some level you are the product.

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    1. Well put. I saw the discussion of spontaneous combustion by AvE. It’s a possible thing way overblown for views, and I guess people can’t resist scare pyorn. I’ve heard of two actual “fires” locally, but both were in the last 17 years and both involved garbage bags full of oil soaked rags left unattended, and both smoked and heated until they burned open their bags and then just continued to smoke.

      That would be unsettling, but filling a garbage bag tight with oil soaked rags so they make a ball of insulation is dippy.

      The BTCW thing was humorous – you got two factions with it. One who was upset the company was sold to China and mostly neglected to go “wait….how long have these been made in china?” Probably a very long time. And the other was sort of “hey, it’ll be great. Can’t we just have happy messages all the time and not question things?”.

      One thing is clear – I’ve seen people pop up on youtube five years ago or a little more with barely the ability to screw together particle board boxes, but they talked as if they were serious woodworkers. And almost all of them were able to continue on and get sponsorships barely improving, but they stuck to gaming the algorithm and attracting the right groups. I see one of them now has 688k subscribers, a bunch of affiliate revenue, and you can contact their woodworking business through an email – except the email’s name is marketing and then the web address is obviously the same site that sells merchandise and plans that really are below the level of paid plans. Of course, that is an email to bring in sponsorship inquiries.

      But, backing away from it all – that’s obviously what sells – or at least what has ad revenue attached to it. I don’t know if we have a clue any longer what content would be preferred without algorithm manipulation.

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  4. It is frustrating but sadly it isn’t just woodworking and isn’t new. Influencers are the modern form of snake oil salesmen. It’s all deceptive advertising only it used to be cruder and a bit more obvious.

    It does seem to be getting worse though. I’ve mostly stopped watching woodworking videos on YouTube as so much of it seemed to be influencer ads.

    Thankfully there is still good information out there it’s just getting harder to find.

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  5. This discussion reminds me of the 90s and the Woodworking Shows, the traveling circus that had shills trying to separate you from your money to buy tools you didn’t really need, embarrassed to say I fell for some of their pitches,on a positive note it trained me not to fall for the bull from YT influencers and internet crooks we see nowadays

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    1. I went to IWF about 15 years ago because a friend wanted to look at sliding table saws. Of course, most of the stuff there has little to do with how I like to work, but LV was there at the time and then there was a small section of little vendors. I ended up buying a spray gun from Asturo – one of the booths where people *weren’t* loud, thinking from the discussion that it was actually a special deal.

      Different dynamic than the influencers, but the result was the same. I found the gun to be not that great compared to the higher end gun I’d gotten from them previously, and then later saw the same gun online for about 20% less. My friend bought one, too. I guess they sweet talked us!!

      Anyone with a headset on talking like the Shamwow guy was someone we ignored, but one of them was someone blasting out dovetails with some kind of router jig. God, I’m glad I never got into all of the accessories that people seem to like only while they’re being marketed. I’ve wasted plenty, though, just in a different way (hundreds of sharpening stones, etc).

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  6. David who/what is WBW? One thing that social media does well is providing the veneer that the influencer is letting you in on their personal secret, which has at least two coming mechanisms built in: the information is scare and the seller is just the regular guy you can trust.

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    1. Wood by Wright. You’re right, most of these people are just “regular guys”. they’re certainly not anything special in terms of being gifted makers who could each teach us a little something.

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