Baking Pigmented Varnishes

This may sound like an odd title, but you already know of a baked varnish. Ashphaltum japanning. Coincidentally, the older texts refer to something like a gilsonite asphaltum japanning as a cheap finish. Japanning was used on a lot of metallic items in layers, with the higher quality work being a base and then clear varnish on top. Things like sewing machines, and so on, and decorative items for high class, probably up from there.

But experimenting while tempering some knives last week, I put the long oil tung/linseed varnish on a knife blade that I had sitting around – one that I made early on and will probably never turn into a knife because it will rust faster than rust. The hardness of the baked long oil japanning was shocking. That on the wood can still be dented by a fingernail and it’s a couple of weeks old and may always have this level of pliability. But the baked varnish was stuck to a knife blade that was just bare metal and not that easy to get off. it didn’t shatter off like paint – you could scrape it off but you had to scrape to the metal. No prime, no cleaning the metal, and so on. the color of the varnish in what was probably a 400F cook, though, was a dark straw. I was tempering knives at 340F, but the test blade was exposed to the radiating heat from the elements while the knives were safely tucked in between two really big thick plates of aluminum to block that.

Black Japanning and What?

Asphaltum is actually a dark brown, but you get enough of it with metal behind it and it looks black. it becomes the resin in a varnish and it crosslinks to the oil. You can do that cold and cook hot enough for it to become a varnish after it’s applied, or you can do like I did and just cook it together and keep it like that so that there’s no stirring in the future and no settled anything. I prefer that.

But it triggers any reasonable or unreasonable person to say “what else melts around 350F and crosslinks with oil. As in, is there a whole palette of colors that might be available by simply finding natural resins. I think the answer is no. I’m sure there are others, but it’s too complicated.

So it may seem like there is something about asphaltum, and there could be in terms of how it chemically bonds with metal. But the long oil varnish is worlds better than any spray paint no matter how good the spray paint says it is, and it will cost little.

Knowing that it went to dark straw, then the question is – what will look good? I think a mid red and a mid dark, but bold and deep blue would potentially be nice on tools, and comparing a lamp black base long oil varnish to the asphaltum japanning would be interesting. I shot very bright on red pigment to try the red, and here’s what it looks like:

Cadmium red. Not exactly maroon. The long oil varnish is in the bag and you can grind or mull pigment into oils and finishes, but I’m not doing that. We have some freedom here, though – adding oil to this mix with mulled pigment in it would be no big deal due to the reality that in a cook, it would just crosslink with the varnish and still end up with varnish.

This idea of how good the varnish is baked isn’t something unsubstantiated – the old texts talk about the varnish being superior when it’s baked instead of drying by other means. You just can’t bake everything at 400F, though, even though there are some references in terms of how to prep wood to try, anyway.

Laying this 80s-reminding color on a chunk of steel gives this:

Pretty bold. One coat left marker on the steel “80CrV2” still telegraphing through, and a second problem. The picture above is after slathering another coat on if I recall.

That problem is crows footing or whatever you’d like to call it. Which I believe is always or maybe almost always the result of the finish skinning and pulling on itself before the layer below has given up all of its solvent.

The result is this, though:

The color isn’t darkened much, either, but I cooked this at 350 and shielded it some. it needs more heat to become a bit more subtle in terms of what I was expecting.

Less heat to start, or really low heat for a while is an option, but the other that may be more intelligent is just to let the varnish gas off and cure for a day on the piece and then bake it. I’ll see how that goes.

At this point, the second prong of this – cooking at a higher temperature to darken the varnish to a less bold color is in the works.

it’s the durability of the varnish that’s desired here. It would be lovely if the top layer was glossy, but we can actually do what they did for higher quality work, which is to set the color based on the finish applied as the base, and then bake another clear varnish application on top.

Cleanliness when applying the varnish is key – any little piece of dust or anything, even metal sanding dust from cleaning off the steel results in piles of little dots. One of the things that varnish really loves to do is take a tiny fleck of dust and stick to itself (the varnish) above that dust and make it look 100 times as big. it could be that the solution to that is still adding un-cooked oil in with the varnish so that the finish lays out more like a lacquer, but we’ll cross that bridge only if we need to. if you look at the japanning on any older plane you have, it’s good, but it doesn’t look like an automotive finish with no imperfections in it.

I don’t have a real need at this point, but I’m curious. I wouldn’t mind ruining a few older planes with surprise colors, but done so well that it raises the question “why would someone who can do something that nice do something that wrong?”.

AEB-L and Making Knives

I don’t know how many knives I’ve made. It’s not hundred, but realistically, if you’re going to make knives for other people to use in a kitchen, you’ve got to tackle using stainless.

XHP (V11) is stainless, but not very. Food acids will discolor it and it can be broken fairly easily by the uninitiated, which both probably have to do with why Lee Valley is the only using of the Carpenter XHP alloy that I know of. Those things don’t matter that much in a plane iron. I still read often how great it is for chisels, but anyone doing a comparison with a better chisel in the same task side by side, grinding and sharpening on top of that, would probably decide otherwise. Its attributes suit planing more than chiseling.

There are tons of stainless steels that you can probably heat treat in a forge. I use AEB-L. AEB-L is a fairly lower carbon steel, but it’s a matrix type. Carbon is between 0.6 and 0.7, and there’s no nitrogen or molybdenum to step up the sharpness. When I make knives, I’m doing it as an amateur and handing them out – I want steel that sharpens like a chisel. I have missed the mark on hardness with AEB-L and XHP before learning just how much open forge heat it takes to get them to decent hardness quickly, and the knives are usable, and at least as good or better than something like a Wusthof knife, and ground to a better angle. But they’re better yet if they are more like a chisel hardness. Nobody has broken a knife yet, so I’m not concerned about someone breaking ice with one and breaking one – I know they’re not going to break from regular use.

AEB-L can reach higher hardness than you’d guess – if you have a furnace and nitrogen. Larrin’s shown as-quenched hardness that’s in the 64 range and if you double tempered where I do – 340F, the hardness would probably still be 63. I am working with a forge and a freezer and that figure for me is 62 and 61, respectively.

This week, someone asked if I’d make them a knife that was 6″ long and more in proportion (not a copy, but proportion) like a large japanese petty knife.

I came up with the following profiles varying things I’ve got on hand, and decided to throw in a common classic parer type profile since I’ve already sent this person, a friend, a very thin small parer that’s almost like a razor. It’s a treat to use one of those tiny little parers that’s really thin at first, but it’s not practical for working on a cutting board, and feels a little dangerous in the middle of food or coring. It cuts too far too fast, and if friction sticks it and it releases, it could be a real problem.

All of these knives are .062″ stock and they’ll be slightly thinner. Two of them are 61 hardness post temper, and one is 60.5. I’m pretty pleased with what experimenting has brought in terms of results as I thought stainless would finally lead to me buying a forge. Instead, I’ve gotten one induction forge and now am getting a second as the first has some quirks and I’d rather assign it to part time.

If you look at the three knives, there’s some subtle differences between the middle one and the one on the right. The middle is straight through and I think it could benefit from more hand relief and it needs to be more pointy to do what a petty knife would do. I’ll see through finishing it, but the feel led me to make the one on the right figuring it’s just not good enough.

I generally put simple slab handles on in some kind of nice wood and then pin with 1/8th bronze or brass. I do that so that replacing the scales if something should fail is easy. If someone can’t find 1/8th bronze, often a clothes hanger will fit and if not, you can buy brazing rods and sand or scrape off the flux coating or whatever is on them. I haven’t lost a handle yet either, and use 180F epoxy, but something will come off sometime.

Good choice for wood on the handles is something hard with closed pores. Gabon ebony, macassar ebony, brown ebony, katalox – all work nicely. You can pore fill rosewood. I think I’m going to try a wood on these handles called Sapodilla, but not totally sold yet. it’s hard, and it will eventually be a mid brown, but it’s purplish when fresh, and not very dark. it’s far less work to shape a handle that’s softer wood, but it seems like it would spoil the effort.

So, with the steel, there’s no long complicated process. I want no decarb with AEB-L and furnace schedules will create it without neutral gas or something covering the steel. Instead, I use a piece of exhaust pipe and torches. We need to get the steel to somewhere around 1950 at least, and in a quick heat, maybe slightly higher. A big propane forge has no control without a muffle and a muffle means hitting a temp and sitting for a while to get there. And preheating all of it. No thanks.

this is my anvil area. The top of the anvil may look rusty from disuse, but I’ve quenched a bunch of stuff with brine lately, and it looks like that in a hurry and then I sand it off.

The induction forge would be a treat to use for this if it made enough heat, but induction forges are keyed to a depth, and that depth is beyond the thickness of a knife. It will heat these blades to about 1500 to speed preheating if that’s important, but the magnetic forces try to go further into steel than there is steel there, they hit each other and cancel out. Otherwise this forge will take something like a chisel and turn it into falling apart sparking globs in a little over a minute – chisels are thicker.

I don’t have everything lined up totally here, but I get a non-flammable stand for the torches, whatever I have available, and set one in the pipe there and lift the back curtain that’s there for dust control when grinding. There is no mass in that pipe, just kaowool. there’s a second pipe to the right of the forge that I have used as a liner for the kaowool, but it’s better as a former – use it to tightly pack the kaowool and then insert it in the larger pipe and pull out the steel pipe and you’re left with the form and no need to heat that piece of steel pipe. It’s a detriment to something like this.

I visually get the AEB-L to a point that is a really bright orange and a step away from yellow, then quench the top end in an oil quench and over to the anvil it goes to get plated between the anvil and the aluminum tempering plate, which does double duty as being a thermal mass in the toaster oven tempering things like longer knives. the little hole allows a thermocouple probe which is kind of needed if tempering is going to be really accurate. And it needs to be. Good heat treating, tempering and cool grinding all have to be had or the knife will be garbage can fodder.

AEB-L warps, and getting the top part of the quench done quickly yields decent hardness, and then there’s time to get the lower end finished and constrain the steel so it stays flat. This is also usable for making plane irons and so on. The top part of the quench must be fast, and the bottom end really cold, but there’s a little time to constrain and the item being heat treated in between both of those, along the lines of 10 or 15 seconds here, and I have noticed no difference in hardness by not just rushing the quench. Stainless doesn’t need the same speed usually, but that trick works fine with 52100 and other carbon steels.

the final step here, especially with stainless, is getting the blank into the freezer. I have a little cheap freezer, but it will get down to -40F. That’s not remotely close to liquid nitrogen, and it doesn’t do as much, but it does improve results half a point or a point vs. letting a knife sitting around air cooling to a higher temp at the end. Larrin Thomas had an excellent article on this – liquid nitrogen gives you some time to screw around and still see improvement. If the temperature drop isn’t as significant, then whatever you’re hardening needs to get into the freezer or bucket of propylene glycol cooled in the freezer really fast. I swipe stainless with a file on the way to the freezer. Since as quenched hardness for me is about 62 with AEB-L , if it’s short, it’s fileable. Even if it’s only a couple of points short. Just barely, but you can feel it. All in all, from first contact with the oil to being in the freezer, it’s probably less than a minute and I speed up the cool off by holding the knife against the frost in the freezer and then dropping it in.

If you’re heat treating and not going to do any analysis other than checking hardness, you do at least need to snap samples and confirm your process doesn’t grow grain. This is a .062″ sample and it’s close to what I see with carbon steel. I asked Larrin what I should see because I thought maybe the high heat needed with bloat grain some, but Larrin said it should look similar. What the anomalies are, the shiny white dots, are probably artifacts more of my cheap hand scope. it’s hard to get a clear picture of these little samples and they break irregularly, so it’s not easy to get them in the metallurgical scope to look at where something needs to both be very level to the lens and also broken without any change in depth.

Whatever the case, this effort is fine and will make a good knife. The sample above is 62.5 which is about as hard as I’ll get out of the quench. could a furnace and nitrogen do better for a knife in practice? I don’t know, i think maybe it could, but I’ve made really thin knives out of AEB-L that are so thin I’ve accidentally bent them and then bent them back and given their hardness, that’s pretty good. And they sharpen well and hold their edge well, and the steel does fine in a plane iron. I don’t use it in plane irons because it seems like these ultra fine carbide irons don’t have the same feel as they dull.

While we can see the magnified grain here, the carbides do not cast a shadow on a plane iron when I wear away, so they are not visible and likely below 1.5 microns. The surface of the steel just looks like fudge instead.

When I asked Larrin what I should see snapping grain, he remarked there is no easy way to see carbide patterns and I told him my little trick – which is to set the chipbreaker on a plane so the shaving rubs the edge with force and exposes carbides. You can see the carbides below from 80crv2 steel. These are about as small as I’ve seen – if they get a notch smaller, they won’t show up. They won’t show up for AEB-L and often on older cast steel, they also do not appear in any quantity.

This is kind of a boring post, and it’s hard to make it relatable if you’re not doing the same thing, but it’s just another illustration of figuring things out and testing them.

Henckels sources “FC61” steel knives from Japan. Those are AEB-L, but they’re kind of expensive – between $130 and $300 per knife. it costs about $20 including the wood for me to make each knife, and about two hours. They’re not as complex – there’s no bolster or pattern welding, but there’s no bullshit, either. Humorously, the Henckels knives say “Kramer by Zwilling Meiji” and they’re made in Gifu, Japan. Probably by a separate contractor. They look nice enough, but the maker from Gifu could just be used without having to pay to use two more names and probably short the pay to the contractor. No thanks.

All of this is doable – the forge doesn’t need to be part of this and AEB-L doesn’t air harden easily when cut, so you can work with hand tools. You can shape the handles with a belt sander or by hand with files, but I guess it’s honest to say while it’s not difficult, there is some learning curve difficulty and this is one thing that I’ve gotten into where the hardness tester is immensely valuable in checking things quickly.

the stainless pipes – both the bigger and smaller are literally stainless exhaust pipe sections – the cheapest way I found to get something with some substance and strength in stainless.

A $225 “bucktool” belt sander and a spray bottle is enough to grind these into a finished knife without burning them – using ceramic belts. I do usually use a high speed grinder, though instead, but have done knives in stainless only on the 4×36 sander. This isn’t the same knife, but since I haven’t finished these knives, I figure a picture of a knife that was finished is in order – they’ll end up being similar to this. Understated, not expensively made and not expensive looking, but a small fine bevel and blistering sharp. I’m a little bit partial to hand finishing the sides not to a super fine finish for two reasons – one, they don’t instantly look marked, and two, if someone marks up a knife, then without doing anything else, you can always freshen the finish on these kinves by laying 400 grit sandpaper over a wood block in a vise and pushing the knife linearly across it. I don’t know why it bothers me, but I think it’s a shame to have a decent knife that is hard to freshen up once the knife gets covered with scuffs and little scratches.

What’s Happening to the Forums?

I see the debate is lively again on the dying forums as to why they’re dying. Some of the people complaining the loudest are the same people who have never contributed anything other than harassing beginners or pretending to be experts behind a veil of self-inflicted personal failure of some sort.

What’s not uncommon is the “what’s changing” complaining has been going on for more than a decade and the folks who complain loudly are never the ones who are contributing. But I think at this point, contributing doesn’t matter, anyway. Other mediums do more for peoples’ dopamine, and the reality is that most of the people on forums were there because it felt to them like they were learning something or planning to do, and putting off doing. If most of us who have been around for a while went back to the older forums, the post volume was unreal. Woodcentral, if I recall, had post volumes in the neighborhood of 100 a day on average and gradually got to 100 a month. The other forums whether they moved at the same speed and are dead now or just have 10% of their original traffic, same story, just the details are different.

Group Buying of Forums

The era of cheap interest (now over) and waning forum traffic seems to have been a success for groups like Group Builder, who is tagged at the bottom of the UK forum. What happens to forums like that that continue, but with seeming indifference at the surface always confused me. What I mean by that is the forum gets new ownership, and little seems to change except for some “hey bro” PMs appealing for cash, and the ubiquitous “we’re replacing our server”. I’d ask them for an agreement that you’ll get a picture of the dedicated server after the fact, it looks in my opinion more like an appeal for cash as part of a business plan.

You can belong to forums set up like that to eliminate ads without paying anything. That should be a red flag because it doesn’t make sense.

I browse all of the forums sometimes. There are a few former members i like to observe, and I guess I shouldn’t admit this, but some of them in humor more than seriousness. There isn’t anything I’ve read on the forums in a long time that goes into the “learned” category because that’s just not what happens on forums with buildalongs. Unless you are copying someone building along, you’re looking at something now you might apply 4 years in the future in a different context. It’s kind of pointless except for entertainment.

So, I don’t see the UK forum often because it is abysmal in terms of information level, and the indifference persists.

But someone on there pointed something pretty smart out in the context of private equity or VC or private capital enterprises just buying things up and putting them in a framework. And that is that most of the sites now have economic value not for the current forum members or advertisers to members, but by being set up to attract beginners who are one-offs. What’s a one-off? It’s someone who is looking for information to do something once and then seeks to use google to find instruction. It could be someone who wants to sharpen one thing, or someone who has no exposure to woodwork at all but just had a daughters (or son!) dribble nail polish remover on a lacquered table.

What’s your Value as a Member?

If you’re a long member on a forum, telling people technique with nothing leading to a sale, the value to advertisers is low. Too, let’s be realistic, when people have an issue to solve, their first thought is “how far can buying get me in solving this”, not, I’m willing to try three or four things and they may not work. We all thought we were valuable, but what’s valuable is having a giant database of posts for google to crawl so that someone searching – who knows nothing about the forum – may come across the forum when they search for “ruined table finish” or “table finish repair”. If you’re a member, will you tolerate a 15 second full screen ad every time you log in? You definitely will not – you’ll tolerate appeals for “money for the server” and PMs of the “hey brother, can you spare a dime because our costs have gone up” stuff, but you wouldn’t tolerate an ad. One will drive you away, the other will drive you to complain, which takes no effort to solve. You’ll give up on that if the appeal doesn’t occur too often.

We are worth less than the database of general info at this point, and realistically – if I start posting answers or Derek Cohen starts posting long build threads, the person looking to get information and a link to amazon following what to buy just isn’t going to be interested.

Not encouraging anyone to go to the UK workshop – I have an aversion to the way the site has changed and the strategy in general, but just as a check, I browsed over to the site. As a nonregistered guest, I got a half page banner ad for Ashley furniture, four video ads and two animated perimeter banner ads. Actually, having Ashley pop up for someone looking to fix ruined furniture is pretty smart, even if the furniture itself probably leads to need for repair soon when bought new.

If you see someone complaining about what killed the forums and they are the type who never contributes any legitimate advice or help, ask them what their contribution has been and what they do for a day job. The honest answers probably aren’t continuous employment, lots of woodworking and frustrated by too much success.

Long-Oil Varnish is The Oil Finish you Wish Oil Was

When I started making varnish, I made a recipe that was supposedly for violins. I think it’s as bad or worse than plain rosin and linseed varnish. Oil varnishes are for the most part some part resin, some part oil and then a solvent both to stop the varnish from bricking itself quickly, and to make it usable or brushable, or sprayable.

But after that, I tried a few things to make rosin and linseed varnishes quickly and attempt to get some hardness. My kind of favorite varnish so far is 1 to 1 types, or one resin and one oil, and I usually store them with one part turpentine. They’re too thick to use at that if they have one of the harder resins, but store well. Drier comes in later.

Even if rosin varnish can be made a little harder by adding lime, which dissolves in the varnish, it turns out that it’s still not very good, and it can’t tolerate water. Varnish with good adhesion doesn’t seem to lay out like lacquer and you have to degloss the surface to apply more. if not, it literally pools in some areas and “pulls itself toward itself” leaving bare areas. It’s really bizarre. it’s easier to do this sanding neatly if you can use a little bit of water – this deglossing. At least it is to me because it’s easy to wipe off anything that stays around. Varnish finds anything unusual on a surface and then builds around it, so little missed dots of trash are a problem.

Except rosin and linseed won’t really tolerate varnish and the surface gets squishy.

Steve V. pointed me to a book by Ralph Huff, which is as far as natural resin based varnishes go, pretty modern. Pre-WWII, but not by much. Huff predictably says rosin and linseed isn’t worth giving recipes for after describing it. As time goes on, I agree, and older texts were hit or miss. There are things you can do with rosin to improve it, but they are not something anyone reading this will ever do and unless you’re imitating violinmakers or trying to on a $25k violin, I personally wouldn’t bother with them either. There are other resins that are as good as modifying rosin to a darker longer form would be, and they are usable after a couple of hours of running (cooking out impurities at a very high temperature).

But Huff in the book then quickly goes on to describe the usefulness of tung oil. Most people reading this know tung as the very expensive polymerized oil that comes in a solvent. It’s probably $50 or more per pint after the solvent evaporates – that is for a pint of actual oil. Why that stuff is so popular is a bit of a mystery to me, other than it’s easy to use, i guess, and it dries a little faster than raw tung. But raw tung from a bulk supplier like Jedwards is high quality and literally about $34 a gallon with no solvent. So if you’re going to make basic varnishes, there’s a lot of substance to it. And getting away from what I see in the finish industry as taking stuff that doesn’t cost that much and putting it in little cans and making it cost a lot.

Raw tung will dry reasonably hard and it can also be heated or thinned to penetrate. if you want it to dry faster, and it will dry nearly clear compared to the cloudy polymerized stuff, 1 percent klean strip japan dryer will do the trick. I’ve learned to wash it with hot ethanol, too, and get rid of kind of the stinky nutty smell that’s in it.

But it is an in the wood finsih, a very good one, but that looks a little dull, and if you dare allow a little bit of the fairly hard but rubbery finish to dry on top of wood, good luck getting something that looks suitable.

Transforming the Linseed oil Varnish

By the way, before I start – I made some odies like stuff with wax in the actual oil with drying agents. I think putting wax in a finish is stupid – just my opinion. Wax is a short molecule and maybe there’s some magic that makes it still feel waxy and bond in a finish, but I think if that were actually the case, the hardwax oils would be fully waterproof. And they’re not. tung oil with a little wax in it works like shit – it spots with water if you allow the water to lay on it and then you have an ugly look. It feels just grand when you apply it because of that, and I know people like the dull look but I don’t. So that option to use tung another way is out in my book.

Tung itself will form a hard layer in wood, and so will linseed oil, but tung is more waterproof than linseed. it’s still missing the ability to go in the wood and make a nice finish on the surface.

Enter the 1 to 1 linseed rosin varnish that I have, really waiting until I just give up and burn it.

As I was at the beach reading, I noticed Huff provided a recipe that’s roughly 1 part limed rosin varnish, 1 part linseed oil and 2 or a little more parts tung oil. He also mentions an industry trick back then to cover up the use of mineral spirits, which are much cheaper than turpentine – and that is to use a very strong solvent that’s in the class of limonene as a fraction of the solvent and the rest mineral oil, so it seemed like two things to try. Oh, and the comment that clued me in was Huff saying that this recipe made a durable varnish for outdoor use, or something along those lines. All Tung is even better, but part linseed oil would definitely be easier for a new cooker because of how reactive Tung is.

I got back from the beach, busted out my junk rosin and linseed varnish, cooked the solvent of (which wasn’t trivial) and then added tung slightly greater than two times the original linseed. The result is a finish that has some characteristics of varnish, but isn’t nearly as sticky as a very good varnish is, it levels out easier, and it has great clarity.

This is that long oil varnish on satinwood, which is an interesting wood. The depth isn’t quite what a 1 to 1 high end varnish looks like, but most people reading have never actually seen that in person. This inexpensive and fair to say, not the hardest varnish in the world, but very tough when it dries, has better color and clarity than any polyurethane I’ve ever seen, and it lays out nicely. Pouring water on the surface and letting it evaporate leaves no evidence.

You can wipe it, brush it, and I’m sure if you wanted to thin it a little more, spray it.

I added 1% japan dryer by solids volume, which allows brushing a healthy dose once a day, or easily wiping two coats a day. If you’re uber something or other about driers, since a good choice for varnishes has cobalt (which helps prevent skinning, or put differently, helps to have the layer dry evenly and avoid cracks and crows feet), then you can apply thin layers and find the sun and you’ll have a touchable surface in a couple of hours.

This isn’t a hard varnish to cook, though it’s not really wise to make the rosin/linseed varnish first and then cook off the solvent – cooking the solvent out to get enough out for the Tung and prior varnish to crosslink isn’t as trivial as just cooking off some of the solvent. As you get less solvent, the temperature needed to cook more off goes up and you soon get kind of pinched into a place where the varnish could turn into a ruined pot full of gel. Fortunately, I didn’t get there.

I’ve already made similar but limed rosin and all tung varnishes 1 to 1 and not long oil, and they are almost shockingly good as a furniture finish. But a little bit more difficult to apply.

There’s a short clip showing the liveliness of the surface. when the rubber hits the road on the cost of this, it’s not more than any decent consumer clear finish. of course, you do have to cook it, but if it ends up being around $50 a gallon to cook, I can’t think of anything for $50 a gallon that comes close.

In the video, notice the kind of sheen the wood has. it looks a little bit three dimensional in person and remains a full colored look from across a room in raking light rather than looking like a dull surface. I sure hope this look comes back in style at some point. Not that it’ll affect what I make or the finishes I use.

Every little extra new thing with varnish or spirit types (french polish) just narrows the already narrow chance I’ll buy any finish in the future that’s commercially made. Now this provides a pretty easy to use option that will wipe like an oil, and if thinned, it will penetrate like one, but also show good clarity on a surface if it’s built. I have nothing wood outside at this point other than tung oiled garden wood with green pigment in it. Pigment in the finish is a whole other ball of wax, but the point of mentioning that is unfortunately, I have no real object outside to test how this stuff holds up in the sun. The sun kills anything that it can get to over time. Pigment is one way to limit how far in it goes.

I know for sure that helsman urethane that I’ve used in the past on south facing railings isn’t really suitable. It’s a just passable consumer finish, and it’s cheap if you compare it to a real varnish like epifanes. But I wouldn’t be surprised if this would outlast it in the sun. helmsman always got brittle and cracked at joints pretty quickly for me. That was the undoing of my wooden rails – sound wood showing, and rotted joints hidden inside.

What Steel is in ECE Plane Blades?

This should be a simple post except I don’t know the exact answer, so it won’t be that simple.

What brings this up? I browse SMC (the blue forum) about once a week. I used to post there but lost my taste for the site and requested to have my ID ghosted a while ago.

However, it’s still interesting to read because topics like this come up – and they just get butchered. ECE calls the steel Chrome Vanadium, and when those two words come in a row, we’re off to the races with a bunch of explanations that make no sense.

What Does the Average Person Think?

A whole bunch of things, but two points come up that aren’t correct, and they’re constant. First, that chrome vanadium steel is highly alloyed. Second, that it’s relatively low carbon.

This must be a product of people googling for answers and not getting far enough outside of the US. If you read about chrome vanadium steel in the US, you get something like “it is AISI 6150 with chromium ranging from 0.8-1.1% and carbon of 0.5%”

Wikipedia will tell you that. As far as I know, that’s a steel that’s commonly used to make wrenches. I doubt it’s in many edged tools and if any, it may be in really cheap chisels. Since wrenches get levered, it makes sense to use a short carbon steel so that the composition is uniform and simple to heat treat.

What is it Elsewhere?

ECE planes are made in Europe. A whole family of steels can be had in Europe where the composition is a fairly plain steel with manganese, chromium and vanadium. There are 0.5% carbon varieties and there are steels with too much carbon to be used as tool steels, that I would assume are for precipitation hardening. Like steel for pipe with carbon in the range of 2%.

This group includes drill rod type steels and Silver Steel (115crV3) which is a surplus carbon steel around 1.1-1.2% carbon with about 0.5% chromium and 0.15% vanadium. The total alloying outside of iron and carbon is probably similar to percentage of O1 steel that is manganese. Of course, O1 steel has other stuff beyond that, like Chromium and tungsten and sometimes vanadium, a trace.

80crv2, almost one of my favorite steels, is about 0.8% carbon with 0.5% chromium and a small amount of vanadium that I can’t recall, but it’s probably also about 0.2 or 0.25%.

How do I know? The chromium is added to these steels to improve the iron carbides, and I suspect how I’d translate what it’s doing is to sequester iron in carbides, which can lead to improved toughness. Chromium also adds some hardenability, so when it appears, manganese usually is shorted to some extent. 1084, for example, has a load of manganese. 1095, which often has some chromium addition has about half or a little bit above half of the amount of manganese in 1084. O1 has a chromium addition about like the european plain chrome vanadium steels, but double or triple the manganese – allowing it to harden more easily, and the spec allows vanadium at 0.15% – the same amount that is in some “chrome vanadium” steels.

Back to the point – the chromium in chrome vanadium steels improves the carbides, and vanadium prevents grain growth when it exists in small amounts. In my opinion for woodworking non-lathe steels, if vanadium exists in an amount that starts to create large vanadium carbide volume, the steels are a pain in the ass. Magnacut and CPM 3V and 4V may be exceptions to this because the carbides are small, but all of those still leave me cold for different reasons.

So, now we’re aware – chrome vanadium steels outside of our wrongly applied wrench steel are a bunch of very plain steels that have been made a little easier to use and probably to the extent that quality is improved – vs. the older water hardening steels. Faults of plate martensite are less (brittle steel) and grain growth is a bit slower.

You can hate the name chrome vanadium, but it’s likely anything you get that’s production made with it in a small amount is probably a point harder and a lot more consistent.

So, Still – What’s in the ECE and Ulmia Irons?

If I had to guess at a party without ever seeing anything, given the origin, I’d say something like 80crv2. However, 80crv2 – which I think is probably what’s in pfeil tools, can go from being a little rubbery and edge rolling if it’s short of hardness to pretty crisp. it kind of runs out of steam around 62 for consumer purposes, but at 62 it’s really nice. It’s super uniform with tiny little carbides. In that picture, very highly magnified, the carbides themselves are barely above 1 micron in scale. They are blurred at the bottom of the picture but at the top left, you can see how tiny they look. If they’re any smaller, they won’t reflect light back and the surface looks smooth, like AEB-L does here. Both of these edges have planed a bunch of footage of wood, but the aeb-l edge just doesn’t have carbides big enough to reflect light, so they don’t – it looks smooth.

What makes 80crv2 not be my guess is I have no ECE irons now, but I bought primus plane or three like other people do, and then was just really unimpressed with the iron. The life was short – shorter than a stock stanley iron, and doing the tried and true 35 degree final microbevel back then still resulted in nicking.

Long ago, Brent Beach did an interesting test of various irons. Some looked perfectly uniform with wear, and the ECE iron did not. I saw similar behavior to what’s here – it was OK, and then there would be a nick. Is there enough vanadium in it to make a few disparate carbides like Cru Forge (that info courtesy of Larrin Thomas)? I don’t know – Cru Forge had vanadium added at 0.75% and that’s enough to add vanadium carbides with some size. But like A2 with chromium, not enough to add a uniform array.

I have no idea what ECE’s alloy is, but what I do recall about the feel is it could’ve been better. Whatever the alloy was, it could’ve been heat treated with a little more bite. ECE responded to someone in that thread that they prefer to not state the alloy they’re using. I don’t blame them – there’s no reward for it. if you go out and price chrome vanadium steels in europe, they’re in the dollar a pound range for drill rod, maybe two. From china, they’re FOB 30 or 40 cents a pound. Not giving up what’s being used prevents people from offering opinions, uneducated or not.

it does seem like a missed opportunity. People would glow about 80crv2 at 61 or 62 hardness. it probably falls short of O1 in edge life by 10% or so, but when it’s at the upper end of its hardness range, the wear is just so even and everything is routine – the iron cuts sweetly all the way until clearance runs out. Just like you’ll experience with older English steels and well done O1 steel.

But we probably should recall that these planes made their way through the 60s, 70s, and 80s. In a late 70s year, what else was out there as competition? It isn’t the kind of poor hardness and lack of edge life that I remember that would really bother me so much as it would be dealing with an iron that develops mystery nicks like I recall, and like Beach shows.

I wish I still had the iron – patterning the carbides like seen in the picture above would let us know if there are just a few and they’re far apart, or if they’re more plentiful suggesting a higher carbon content than one would guess at first.

Long Time – No Post and Striking Knives

It’s been a while since I posted anything on here. Spring has been busy and I have been in the shop some, but overall when I get overloaded with work, life and trying to carve out time for anything, I just stop managing time well. Or I should say even worse than usual.

So, sitting back and writing something coherent seems an impossible goal vs. scrolling in spare time and becoming even more jelly-minded.

I anticipate that I’ll be back to more regular posting at some point, but not in the next several weeks.

If I’m in this kind of self-described irresponsible but infrequent kind of situation – you know the type if you’ve been in it, when every second of your waking abilities could be consumed by something else, but you still sneak in the shop for a few hours to evade reality, I tend to do small things that people propose rather than binding myself into some big time soaking interest.

That’s been washing tung oil to see if it will dry harder and faster, a few odds and ends that friends have requested, and some knives.

Above is a pair of knives made out of 52100 that will fit a common mill knife handle. I didn’t even know what a mill knife is. These knives are a case, which has become uncommon for me at this point, where I don’t know for sure if I didn’t affect the temper when grinding. I’ve gotten good at not having that happen, but strangely enough when freehanding these bevels with a belt sander and a spray bottle, finer ceramic paper is actually better than coarse paper. Coarse is far better dry.

Why? The spray bottle is leaving a film of water on the belt, and you spray intermittently on the tool for two reasons – to make sure the water doesn’t boil, and to keep the belt wet. On coarse paper, the water ends up residing between the piles of ceramic grit and I think it just isn’t as effective.

I’ll send these out, anyway. I can make another pair if needed. They would be fine for me, but I kind of feel like if I make something for someone else, it ought to be the best they could get and the standard is higher than things I make for myself.

then someone I don’t know in England asked if I would make them “a knife”. Since they won’t go in a heavy duty knife, I said I would make them a knife for cost of materials, but I just needed to know what they want. By the time exchanges were done over the last few days, it turned out they wanted four.

these are 26c3. It’s not like it’s a burden to take on something like this. Everything you make is a little different and good can be done on the first try. Better than just good takes a little thinking. In the case of these knives, the induction forge will heat the steel as long as it’s around 0.1″. The bevels are ground on after the fact, but I have no interest in heating a big square and grinding a whole lot more than the bevel, so they are cut near to a point but with a blunt edge. That point, the induction forge comes a little short on. So for the last of the work in the heat treatment process, I have the torch going again. Which is a little bit of an art – you’re pushing to get the whole knife in good shape, and then get the thing into the forge for really only about 5 seconds to get the tip where it should be and then quench. if you don’t do it, the point is soft. Who wants a knife that will be good after a tenth of an inch is ground off? Not me. These should be blistering. At the same time, it would be easy to overheat the tip because it brightens color very fast. Instead of being soft, it would break off easily.

A mama-bear situation occurs in the middle, and figuring that stuff out is what makes you really own the knowledge rather than just reading about it. It’s what I like.

These are also all quenched in brine now. Brine has a bad reputation, but in fast transition steels, it’s just better. 26c3 is not difficult to heat treat, but it’s fast transition. If you push the heat up a level, it will do OK in fast oil like parks. But you can back off a bit from that and get it in a faster quench like brine and it will just be shitting in tall cotton level. That brings another obligation – no cracks and control warp. Which I’ve figured out as part of this.

The 26c3 knives are 64/65 hardness after a double 400F temper. that’s just stellar. They’re not undertempered, they are just very crisp and will break no more easily than would O1 knives at 61 hardness. they probably will tolerate a little more abuse than O1 would at that.

For scale, those knives above are 0.1″ thick (the first two are 0.8″) and all but the one narrow knife are around 0.75″ wide. They’re all pretty substantial.

If my brain is tired and I don’t feel like inflicting gen. pop with the normal disorderly stuff that I usually post, for some reason I can still go to the shop and manage to do something useful with things like these striking knives. if there was legitimate money in making random tools like this, it would almost seem like I’m doing the wrong thing for a living. But 10 hours a day of freehand work and tired eyes, I’d probably want to go back to making a living at a desk.

Hope everyone who reads here is doing well. No crisis here or anything that caused the lack of posts, just lack of all of the ingredients that make “i’m going to go post something” happen.

The Infamous Cap Iron Video- it’s Worthless for Setting a Hand Plane

The cap iron video from Kato and Kawai was never intended to provide instructions or a basis for setting a cap iron. How do we know? K&K actually flatly said that. So if you’re telling everyone “it’s just science” that you should use a flat 80 degree bevel angle because you just watched the video and now you know enough to be a doctor of planing, hold your horses and get some actual experience.


So, this whole cap iron thing has made rounds in two different places lately. One of the things that annoys me is it’s brought back up and Nicholson described how you should set up the edge of a cap iron 200+ years ago. It should be rounded. I found out about Nicholson, I don’t know when – probably five years after writing the cap iron article. When I wrote the cap iron article, I was working wood entirely by hand. the only reason I’m doing less of it right now is because of the metalworking.

If you go back and read my article, there are two flaws in it. One is Ellis (the editor) left some tearout in the picture and I am horribly disagreeable – I didn’t like it. I also had become recently aware that being disagreeable and stubborn wasn’t infrequent like I thought maybe it was. Ellis thought the picture was interesting because it showed one of his first few attempts on quartered mahogany, and that removing a lot of tearout from something that couldn’t be planed before was valuable or just as valuable. I didn’t really agree that it was valuable enough compared to showing no tearout, but feeling like I had to get over being disagreeable, I let it go. I’ve heard about the tearout in that picture a lot – but usually from people who pride themselves on opinions without accomplishments.

The second thing I let go was the article at the end saying that it was based on information from the Kato and Kawai video. It wasn’t. I figured out how to use the cap iron on my own as a swan song before quitting woodworking. It worked so I didn’t quit. Bill Tindall sent me a message (email) when I started posting with elation about the world soon changing for hand tool woodworkers. One plane under your bench if all you do is smooth – to replace the myriad of suggestions. Bag the idea of buying infill if you’re an everyman. It’s a waste of money to buy lots of stuff but more importantly (money wasn’t a problem for me), it’s a big waste of time and it also has a little bit of the “i’m a fraud” feel to it if touting that you know 14 ways to slowly get rid of tearout when one works better than all of them 99% of the time. Bill’s message was that they he and Steve Elliot were digging up info from the K and the other K in Kato and Kawai. I think, Bill will remember every detail, maybe they were conversing with only one person. At any rate, there were a bunch of documents and the videos. He sent me a link to the videos before they were public because no permission had been gotten yet in terms of sharing them.

When I described what I did on the public forum, with elation, and as much “best thing ever” excitement as I could, I thought for sure three or four people would try it, see that the Jesus Christ of metal plane parts was right under our nose and we would be saved. Instead, most of the responses were “that doesn’t work, Chris Schwarz says so” or “of all of the people I’ve met or made planes for, only one person other than Warren ever said they use it”. I have no idea who that second person was, by the way.

I either didn’t remember or later forgot the article (on woodcentral) said that it was based on the video. This is an important piece of horseshit for two reasons. The video leads you down the wrong path when setting up a cap iron on a hand plane. You’ll watch it and assume you want to have a plane with an 80 degree flat wall facing the oncoming shaving and have it twice as far away as you would otherwise.

I tried it, it worked like shit compared to a rounded edge. Why I rounded the edges, I don’t recall exactly but it just seemed to make sense. Making sense isn’t worth much, though. It proved to be better in actual use with a shallower flat bevel being an option – pretty sure I wrote 50 degrees if you couldn’t be bothered with curvature. 50 degrees is “fine” like food with decent flavor and a bad texture is “oh well, it’s fine”. That kind of food is a hell of a lot better than an empty stomach, but it’s a missed opportunity. A 50 degree flat bevel will do most things, but it will struggle a little in finer shavings in the worst of woods.

I saw the video as maybe a way to hit people up with some moving pictures and then smack them upside the monitor with a bunch of info about what actually works well in hand tools. But I wanted to avoid the idea that you need to measure things and that you could just take something from the video and have everyone doing it. the “80 degree” setting was subpar and increased the chance that you’d either have the plane stop you in your tracks or leave a fuzzy surface. What’s the point of ramming the shaving so hard back into the wood that it’s compressed and the planed surface isn’t smooth. There isn’t really one. Quickly upon finding a tolerable resistance level planing, you’d then find the thing was too far away and not preventing tearout. The rounded profile suffers the ills of neither the shallow or steep single bevel.

I found it by experimentation, Nicholson documented it long before. It’s too stark to avoid noticing unless you’re only taking tiny thing shavings. If that’s all you’re doing, your advice is no good for anyone doing more. The same is true about general plane design, setup and use if you’re only smoothing and fitting joints. You will never know as much about planing as you would if you did five hundred board feet entirely by hand. Same with sawing and so on. You learn things whether it seems like you wouldn’t or not. What is is. What you imagine is common sense may not be what is.

So, the Video Does What?

The video was apparently a segment to show at a conference in the USA, and according to Bill, the professors stated that it’s not intended to be a guide for setting anything, and Bill mentioned further that the stuff shown in the video didn’t even make the final documentation. The documentation was involved in edge wear profiles and planing kilometers of wood with a planing machine trying out different steels. They found, drum roll, that highly alloyed steels lasted longer, but the wear profiles (going from memory here) also show belly and lack of clearance that the machine can power through that none of us would ever come close to doing. I think Bill was interested in finding a secret to longer edge life and the chipbreaker video was a side show that he provided because I brought it up on a forum. I don’t know if he would’ve worked hard to get permission to show it without the discussion, I think he would have but how it would’ve been presented, I don’t know.

I remember Bill saying there was a separate paper discussing setting up the cap iron with students, or I thought it was maybe students (one of “the K’s” students in Japan). Doing some digging this morning, it was students. The separate paper for hand plane setting is brief, doesn’t explain much and has some comments that are not relevant for western planes. It does not give parameters for set distance or angles, it just says you can’t set the chipbreaker by eye and you need to judge the shaving and perhaps even measure it.

Well, you actually can’t see the end of the iron in a good dai, and if you’re looking in from the bottom, you have a very poor view because you’re relying on seeing depth. So their advice makes sense in Japanese planes. On a western plane with screw together parts that go in, of course you can learn to set it by eye – you can ignore K&Ks suggestion that you can’t. That’s what I was suggesting early on – learn what looks right and then just set it. It took me a week with no instruction to get this. I was planing a fair amount, maybe several hours worth of just planing that week, but it was still just a week.

I think all you need to do is look to see if a shaving is worked if you’re not sure. if it’s starting to straighten out, there is influence and you won’t have a disaster. Noticed in that picture with curly hard maple, the heavy shaving is flattened in areas – there is a feel that planing has when the chipbreaker is engaged.

That’s all the K&K short hand tool article said, though, set it by watching the shaving and Bill was a little unhappy with it. I think like most folks would want, he wanted instructions that were clear? I could ask him -but I’ll go with the guess. I think he doesn’t care. He uses the chipbreaker now quite a bit on furniture work – especially cleaning up junctions and such – and sets it by eye.

The video gets passed around and this part is important – the very guys who put it together said it was not intended to be used as advice for setting or doing anything.

If you’re working by hand, believe what you get for outcomes and what comes from your own hands and nerves and discernment. It’s not that hard.

I didn’t think I found something new when figuring the chipbreaker out, I thought I found something old and at the time, I was definitely pissed that the Chris Schwarz’s of the world wanted to be a source of information but couldn’t figure it out. Using the chipbreaker should be taught at the same time someone is taught about basic sharpening and the adjustment features on a plane.

Oh, and why wasn’t the student paper that big of a deal in Japan? I don’t think anyone does much planing with planes in japan on things like day to day work on building beams and doesn’t set a chipbreaker. Why didn’t we notice it? well, if you don’t know what the chipbreaker is doing, it’s easy to not notice shaving shooting up out of a plane instead of over the iron and back. And a second reason for it is if you get on youtube or the internet and you want to see Japanese woodworkers planing actual work – and not someone teaching students or appealing to tourists, you need to find things that are listed in Japanese. Google’s functionality in youtube still does a terrible job of finding someone planing a beam in what looks like a legitimate workplace.

If you look at this video or this video , notice the shaving come straight out of the plane even though they’re not that thick. Why? I would guess because planing a beam like these without a chipbreaker is a very bad gamble.

This is actually what I thought I’d find out with the chipbreaker – a way to go completely to Japanese tools, especially on smoothing. It just didn’t work out that way.

Updated Thoughts on Scraping Planes – There’s no Practical Gain

If you’re reading this, you may have seen the Youtube video that was superbly done by someone in England. That being a very clear description of scraping cast iron.

So, I scraped 7 planes. Two infills and five Stanley planes. It may have been 8. I planned to scrape 1, but 8 just happened.

I had two Starrett straight edges, and now three. My 24 inch straight edge is a walk about for the shop and it has seen a lot of wear. There’s really no abuse outright, but it’s a $30 (square edge) and the corners are what you try to use if light does not go under the flat edge. And with a blunt square edge, it’s easy to get something flat enough that no light shows. Those edges take wear and it gets a little difficult to tell if you’ve addressed it cleanly with fine files and other tricks to clean it up. One of the easy things to do is check a surface with two parts of the straight edge. Scraping afforded the ability to get things flat within a fraction of a thousandth of an inch and start to see these differences.

So, I went out looking and found a starrett #386, thinking it was a #385 at less than half price, but it’s actually a lighter version for drafting. Fortunately, that’s not bad. But I got it for about 85% of going rate for a new one vs. 40% of the cost of a #385 (both being bevel edge). They have the same straightness guarantee, and I kind of like the lighter weight. It’ll be useful in the shop.

So, having gotten off track already – what’s the fourth? A 4 foot #385 that I bought new a while ago that never gets away from a carpeted area – it’s a reference until or unless something spoils that, but it’s also pretty heavy. And they have become off the wall expensive, so keeping it as a reference is fine.

Back to the planes. it’s very easy to scrape a plane to the point that a 0.0012″ feeler doesn’t have a chance. I found the bias I expected – that the toe and heel on my planes were above the mouth – and I’d also grown accustomed to liking that. It affords some control that makes planing a straight edge just in the process of planing off roughness routine – no extra staps.

A Dead Flat Ground Plane is Not Better Than Properly Lapped

What is properly lapped? Figure on something like a stanley 6, you can just get a .0012 or .0015″ feeler under the toe and heel using a good straight edge. This is a small number, but it provides a very practical benefit. When you use a tool room granite surface, this level of error looks enormous, but it also doesn’t take that long to scrape out, which is where the 1 became probably 8.

Can I tell any difference in use? I have to be honest, I liked the planes a little bit better before scraping, except for one or two that I was lazy on and didn’t finish the lapping job. For years on the forums, we have heard that you can’t do anything practical to a plane that compares to a surface grinder. Since I have quality straight edges and feelers, I could quantify what kind of error I was creating (intentionally) when lapping, but you may recall if you’ve read any of my conquests that I would also file the center out of a plane draw filing if it was that far out or already convex.

A person with a file, knowledge of planing, and a good straight edge will give you a plane that will suit you better than someone with a surface grinder. A person who doesn’t have that knowledge could lap your plane into a banana.

The idea that you can’t address cast iron or steel, even significant amounts, by hand, is bullshit. I get tired of reading the sentiment from people who don’t have experience with both types of tools – one properly lapped and one surface ground or 10 of each, or whatever. It’s usually someone with knowledge of something other than woodworking, be it manufacturing and testing things (like a lab engineer) or machining. I never see a legitimate long term hand tool user ever muse about machining being something that’s needed.

Rather than only scraping, as i’m getting close to a scraped surface being flat, I’ve followed each repetition with some focus on some light lapping of the tail of the plane being scraped. It’s a tiny amount of insurance that the tail end isn’t dead flat or even a miniscule amount low, but even just that little bit makes the outcome better than flat to the reference surface. Flat to the reference surface end to end is practically lightfast on the starrett straight edge, even leaned, edge to edge and corner to corner. An example group of pictures follows with a Norris No 13 panel plane.

Those pictures just show an iron that’s quickly sharpened fine india, hard ark (not the most expensive kind, slightly more coarse) and a quick buff strop. The wood is yellow cedar, though it doesn’t really matter what it is. A lower angle plane would be better, but this is just a quick thing for feel of what the plane is doing as the tail end comes to the wood. You can’t feel it, but I can tell there’s no magic here that will result in better function. The last picture is an attempt at showing a reflection on the planed surface. Of course you’d expect this, but the improvement in cell phone cameras really makes these pictures disappointing. The reflection is glare and the camera really won’t tolerate it, even in manual mode – it’s just blurred.

Interesting things I found

My lapping did leave the planes I lapped slightly bandanaed, but less than my finest feeler in most cases. That was filing and lapping most of the time recently, because it makes it so easy to prevent more banana effect, and the file is *really aggressive and fast*.

But, I also found that I had slight convexity across the width of planes and my lapping made the “error” slightly on the diagonal as the reference plate showed. I say that partially in jest, because it was an error only in the sense of being able to measure something other than straight and true. In reality, it was a nicer plane to use, and all of the absurdly thing shavings I’ve shown were with those hand lapped planes. The scraped planes don’t really do anything better, and the loss of the ability to ensure the far end of a board doesn’t fall off just by pressure variation in a through stroke is a legitimate minus.

So, You Shouldn’t Scrape?

I wouldn’t say that. But I would say if you have a good setup to lap, or file and lap if you have a plane that’s convex, there’s nothing really to gain.

You can see in the plane sole that I didn’t take my time and scrape very deliberately, so some of the scraping marks are deeper than others and there’s no perfect pattern left. Some of this is lack of neatness, and some is that I did work over the sole with 220 grit paper on a block and a lap, so the deeper marks remain and the others are more faint.

I’m glad to have tried it, and it’s an easy way to make sure that what you have (even if you lap the tail and nose off a little) is very dead flat to start.

I spent about an hour each on these planes in total – some less, some more. To do a perfect cosmetic job would probably require using carbide (I used high speed steel) or really careful use of the HSS, which can burr and then leave deep scratches for a ham and egger like me.

This points back to sending a plane off to a machinist. if you’d like to do that, you can. I think it’s a huge waste of money, and I’d never send this particular plane off to a machinist, but to get dead flat and the same feel as this vs. lapping, i’d be disappointed shelling out money to have that. And I’m being prissy saying the next part, but I think modern surface grinding looks really cheesy on a vintage plane. It definitely looks even more cheesy on cheap imported planes that have really really deep surface grinding marks.

Making Amber Varnish – Part 2

Part 1 of amber varnish making left off with 600F+ degree resin that wasn’t really doing much yet. This is unique to Amber, and probably some bits of other copal. In most cases, you’re going to see something that’s completely melted long long before this.

As the time is passing and the temperature is slowly creeping up, the thermocouple passes 700F. This is probably dicey territory and important to not get here fast and blow past this level. Reality is the varnish will turn into black char if you do, anyway, but it could catch on fire and that’s bad. Potentially bad for a maker, too, as in getting burned.

I backed the heat off a little bit and stood by to make sure that was happening. The thermocouple is in the middle of the pot and close to the bottom to make sure I’m seeing the hottest temperature I can track. The resin sitting on top of the pile is certainly not this hot. At this point, it’s time to just let it go and see if it will melt.

And it does.

I’d prefer to never see 700F or above, but one has to experiment to find the point where you don’t have to go further and a couple of hours at 50F less and no progress is no good.

The resin look like it’s totally melted here, but it’s really more of a very viscous liquid and somewhat foamy. You can make other varnishes and allow the resin to settle, and maybe that’s possible with Amber, but I haven’t seen it. I have zero interest in seeing the resin start to solidify. You can see in the photo that the bottom temp is down a little bit and it’s back to letting it go for a while and looking and *just a little* getting a tiny whiff of it to make sure it doesn’t smell different – like burning. you can see a brownish hue to this. you can also see efforts at amber online where the resin is black – it’s burned in that case. Who knows? I’d rather not fully melt all of the resin and run with what i can than smoke the varnish and have something that’s no good.

The time between getting to 500F or so and then ending up here in the next picture where I’m satisfied things aren’t going to go much further without chancing burning the whole batch is probably about 2 hours. At this point, I’m stirring the resin every 15 or 20 minutes to make sure none of it is sitting in an unexpected cool spot.

What’s not shown in the pictures is that the oil is sitting in the pot around 560F, just hanging out there. In a lower temperature resin, it can be cooled some if desired, but in Amber, I just want to get resin and oil linked as fast as possible and everything liquid. This is from experience with copals – get a good varnish first, worry about trying to get something perfect some other time.

So, I back the temp of the Amber down to about 650F and pour in a little bit of oil and stir. I’m testing the waters to make sure nothing really strange or dangerous happens, and then I gradually introduce some more, and then just introduce the request quickly once I know it’s safe. And stir.

Holtzappfel talks about getting resin going, adding hot oil and “boiling” the mix. I don’t know what that means. it’s a little lively and I don’t want to make it any hotter. At this point, it’s 600+F and just holding it there forever is going to darken it, so I definitely don’t want to shoot the temperature higher.

You can see the lid of the pot – the dots on it are prior varnishes, tested to see if they are varnish. Just about every old book and every reference online talks about putting a drop on glass. I don’t bother with that – by this point, one lid is cool and I dribble a drop.

Three things can happen here: 1) the resin and oil aren’t linked, the drop is not clear and the feel is greasy, 2) the resin and oil are clear, linked, but don’t have much string, and 3) the long cook has left the components really ready and the varnish drop is clear and very sticky and strong in terms of stringing, almost like a glue.

If #3 is the thing, another quick stir for good luck and it’s time to get the varnish that’s made at this point off of the heat before the string gets too long and the varnish is a gel. Gel is no good – it’s a pain to handle, and my experience with the gelled stuff is it’s partially “spent”, as in when it dries, it doesn’t get as hard as wanted.

This stuff is pretty thick from the start, and the drop looks like this:

It’s a lot darker than the other varnishes on the lid because most of them are rosin or lighter copal varnishes. You can’t really tell, but the drop here is clear – it has no oily base, and it’s quite thick. The strings made by touching it are kind of fat and pull out to a long length that quickly looks like spider web.

It’s a candidate to come off of the heat right away to avoid ruin, and I do that by taking it off of the heat entirely and turning off the burner.

I’d love to let this get down to a really cool safe temperature before adding turpentine, but the first time was allowing the varnish to drop in temperature, it started to get thick enough that I wasn’t going to chance it.

I’m not going to tell you what temperature the turpentine goes in. It is much less than 600F – turpentine autoignites by various sources between 450F and 500F. Google says turpentine boils around 300F. From my experience, when it boils, it gasses off pretty quickly, so if you have to add it above 300F, there is a handy side effect that it will boil and somewhat self mix, but a less than handy side effect that it will also escape in some sizable fraction and you’ll have to add more.

This is one of the reasons why I use turpentine that’s $50-$60 a gallon rather than $40 a quart or more.

We have varnish now, that needs to cool to a temperature that won’t break a canning jar before being strained. I prefer the jar to metal cans just so I can see what’s in it. Jars are also a dollar each, roughly. Empty metal cans, definitely not.

Expected somewhere around a quart with no loss, but we knew there would be loss. Amber would lose some of its mass in the run to just losing trash we don’t want to keep, and I ended up with about 2 ounces of unmelted amber, as well as the gooey mess of stuff that’s around it – maybe another ounce, and quite a bit of turpentine escaped. As far as the rosin goes, who knows. it definitely did not leave a uniform layer of melted rosin early on – maybe it disappears from the run temp.

Because there is a bunch of unfinished junk left in the bottom of the pot, when I pour it, I pour it through a dollar store sieve, into a funnel that’s lined either with a paint strainer or stainless screen that I found on the internet, with the idea there being if the stainless screen gets clogged, I can possibly burn out whatever is in it. Pouring this directly into a paint strainer is a no go – the trash and leftover stuff just plugs the screen and then the paper strainer seam will give way and it’ll just all go into the jar.

Once this cools, I take it inside and add turpentine in to mostly top it off. I generously labeled this as 2 parts amber to 3 parts oil, but it’s probably more like 2 to 4, respectively. Since this is batch 2 of the amber, I figure in the future if the desire is to get something really stupid hard, the solution is not chasing perfection – just start with more resin.

In reality, this varnish is still very hard despite being a little longer in oil, it’s super tough and you can’t begin to touch it with a fingernail.

It should be put aside according to holtzappfel (and probably everyone) and allowed to settle. Holtzappfel describes a month as a minimum and the longer it ages, the better.

Why do I keep referring to Holtzappfel so much when there are much more extensive tests? Because it’s relatively low information compared to a lot of stuff like the German American book that’s public domain digitally, and I can apply it more easily and refer to it. The focus in it is cabinetmaker’s varnish, carriage varnishes, Japanning and spirit varnishes (shellac and other varnishes that are basically resin or other ingredients dissolved in a solvent). There are certain things described such as photograph spirit varnishes with Sandarac, and other things of the like, as well as kind of complicated little french polish recipes, but I think if they were great, we’d still be talking about them. Sandarac spirit varnish probably is excellent for photos – it’s out of the scope here, though.

The last thing I do, almost always on the first day, is take some piece of wood and dab varnish on it. It doesn’t have to be anything nice, but I want to see that with sunlight or UV light, it will harden relatively quickly, and if water resistance is desirable, I will make sure the test piece is flat and after requisite time (an hour or so in direct sunlight for a thin film, or five or six times that exposed to UV light from UV bulbs), just pour water out on the varnished test piece and let it dry. This will occur over some fraction of a day. If the varnish is good, you can observe that the water has dried or is shrinking and see no visual change or feel in the wet area, or the area the water has escaped.

In this case, I just took a piece of chakte viga that’s waiting to be made into a handle later and slathered some on. There is no drier in this varnish, so without light, it would take a very long time for it to dry. Varnish can also be baked to a quick and very good cure, but on wood, not that practical here – most test drops that I’ve done end up spreading out in the bake and they get darker, anyway.

Darker on the left is the varnished cylinder, and on the right is just raw wood. George Wilson tells me there’s all kinds of results you can get from Amber depending on the resin, and that he’s seen resin that has kind of an ugly grayish hue. The only place I’ve ever bought it is Wood Finishing Enterprises, and the result is the reddish brown color here. the little grains are all different colors. If you like sorting socks, you could actually separate them all and color match them. I’m satisfied with the mixed result. On dark woods like rosewood, you can’t see the reddish and on orangey red woods, I think the color is a strong enhancement of the base wood, and it’s in the varnish – not some faff-around experiment with dyes or stains. That’s a nice thing.

I’ve not had any luck with any of these varnishes being particularly good brushed without drier, and when I put them on chisel handles, even wiping, I want them to be dry in a day. To avoid bricking the whole batch, I only pour off about 2-4 ounces at a time and add 1-2% japan drier (nothing special, just hardware store stuff) estimated based on the total oil and resin. The old books talk about adding driers in the cook, and maybe the effect is better, but I’ll just mix it in to the poured-off amounts as I’ve seen no detriment to it, and it would be a shame to see this gel within any period of time in the jar.

With 2% drier, i’ve generally had good enough luck to be able to brush a coat of varnish on something once a day. That may sound stupid, but I’ve had trouble getting the coats to mate – even with drier, I think the varnish is still open for a little while, but it’s also hard enough to sand or wetsand. Another benefit of making the varnishes that are very tolerant of water – they wetsand well, and it’s easy to wipe off most of the unwanted stuff rather than having it rolling around in the next coat of varnish or contaminating the bursh. Cheap pine varnishes absorb the water quickly and the swarf and surface become a gooey bunch of pilling and nastiness.

You have to do a little math if you cook varnish, or I should say arithmetic and maybe some algebra here and there. The easiest thing for me in terms of getting the japan drier right is just using a measured syringe. you can use a lot less than 1 to 2 percent and still have some effect, but it goes back to the day thing above. I’m not afraid of the dryer and I want to be able to handle or recoat whatever is varnished the next day. Nothing is permanent – that’s just my preference right now. Having cooked amber twice, copal maybe 8 times and 22 or so total batches of varnish, there’s not much going on but just initial observation and a pleasant surprise of reasonable success.

Making Amber Varnish – Part 1

In the last week, I’ve made five batches of varnish. I’m not sure how that happens, but the first four were quicker much lower temperature resins, so personal time involvement was only about one hour.

Last year, I made Amber varnish. I made it for two reasons. First, I’d had success with a resin (Madagascar copal) that I think most people will find difficult. Especially because it looks innocent – the resin is nice and clean without what looks like 6 digit years old bits of junk in it. The temperatures that I had to bring the resin to were surprising, and it seemed like a good jumping off point after that to do Amber. Amber’s melting points are a very wide range, but at the top end, some of the resin doesn’t melt until it’s over 725F. This is not particularly safe, and when I made the amber varnish last year, some remained unmelted in the pot.

It bothered me at the time that there weren’t any youtube videos running amber the way I wanted to run it, but there was a violin maker’s demonstration of it that resulted in a varnish for violins, but at a huge cost of pollution to the neighborhood and a whole lot of the resin was just cooked off leaving a small fraction of the original amount behind.

I was so happy that I got a good serviceable varnish from my effort that I thought it might be nice to make a video of the process and put it on youtube, but you can’t control who watches your videos on youtube, and the temperatures worked with Amber are seriously close to autoignition (resin meets air, resin catches on fire, etc). I don’t know what happens when the whole glom gets enough energy to ignite, but there are stories in older texts talking about how unsafe it was in an era where safety was 97th. I just don’t feel like putting it on youtube is a good idea because someone is going to get hurt, possibly worse, and possibly burning down property. The audience here is a lot more limited and…

….I am putting this up more for public record and would generally recommend you don’t think about doing it…unless you have already done it before or you have somehow worked your way up through making successful batches with madagascar copal, and I would suggest that’s in the same category if you are thinking you want to make varnish. You do things like making varnish and throwing half gallon jugs of gasoline in burn barrels at your own risk and I assume none of it. Nothing I’m writing here should be considered a how-to, rather a recorded record of a batch.

Too, what goaded me on with this is reading about Amber and having several conversations with George Wilson (who has also made Amber varnish – George can do anything, it seems) who mentioned that getting Amber past its first run results in a resin that’s really pleasant and cooperative. That statement is a bit of shell game – that “first” run, or melting and cooking of the resin before combining it with something or putting it aside as basically ready to use is difficult to complete without either catching it on fire or just turning it into something that’s burned ash.

I’m also goaded on because none of the older texts mention thermocouples and a lot of the discussion on the internet (violin makers and others) don’t talk about using thermocouples, but of course, I have k-type stainless thermocouples for tempering steel, and I have kawool on hand, which is handy for the cheap pots that I use with really high temperature resins.

But don’t do it. There will be one or five nutballs who cruise through google and might find this as a reference who have burned a few batches, and maybe they’ll be able to take parts of this and find something helpful. I’m less of a fan of the idea that someone will copy it not just for the danger, but because I’m guessing a little with the whole varnish cooking thing and doing what works. I wouldn’t dream of attempting this without knowing temperatures.

Should I say it about 14 times – never do anything inside with varnish that resembles cooking. The fumes that come off of running resins or even just heating linseed oil are disgusting, and from a chemist who seems to have a pretty low tolerance for chemical scare tactics, seriously unhealthy. When someone who dismisses some cobalt in japan driers as being overblown tells you that varnish fumes should seriously not be breathed, that means don’t breathe them. When George Wilson tells you that he made a mushroom cloud at one point in the past, that means you absolutely cannot consider making varnish anywhere that a mushroom cloud would do more than maybe get you in some trouble with the neighbors. There is enormous energy in the oil and resin, and if it is belched over the pot sides and is on fire, nothing good is going to happen.

Lastly, I generally make varnishes in the way they’re described in Holtappfel and I was the oil the way Joe R. said was an easy way to do it on a conversation Steve V. posted – just with water washes (three in my case). First, on the Holtzappfel varnish (I removed one named resin so this isn’t a perfect quote) “Amber and Copal are usually dissolved by fusing the gum and adding linseed oil heated nearly to the boiling point and then amalgamated by stirring”, and then at some point (a dangerous point, i’m sure) turpentine is added. Against some wise advice from people who know more than me, I have continued to run the oil and resins not and mix with the oil nearing 600F and the resins not at all cooled. So far, I have not had a varnish that didn’t turn out by doing this, and it’s not safe from a safety standpoint, but it’s safe in that you quickly get the oil and resin to link together and then you can decide what you want to do after that, as in, if you want to cook more.

Part of my point in relaying all of that is if you have read a lot about varnish and ask me questions, I probably won’t have a clue. If you use proper terms from the really old texts, I’ll have no idea what you’re talking about, and if you ask me about processes other than making both parts hot (separately) and then mixing them together, I won’t know that, either.

The Resin and Materials

Amber is for sale a lot of places, unlike some of the less common resins. But it handily comes from many of the suppliers in these little BB sized chips.

These are clean looking compared to some resins that have all kinds of not-varnish stuff on or in them, all the way down to tree bark and bugs. But you never know, so I wash them even though I think they don’t need it. A water wash would probably be enough but a light bit of lye sort of soaps the outside of the resins, and then you can rinse the whole thing until the outside isn’t slick. Color me stupid, but I imagine getting a fresh outside layer on the resin doesn’t hurt.

You can see how dirty the water is. I strained it through a dollar store strainer after this (dollar store items are good for varnish making – the mess left behind some things is easier thrown away)

One of the challenges with the really high temperature resins is getting heat into the resin in the pot without just burning the surface. This isn’t a problem with stuff that melts at 400 degrees, but it is with stuff that melts at 675 degrees F.

To get the bottom layer of amber going, I’ve laid 2 oz of pine rosin on what is 10 oz of amber. There are recipes in some of my books that go further and combine high temp resins with rosin 50/50, but I’ve mentioned before and it remains true – i’m not much of a reader and mixing the two for now seems like “laying up”. I want some of the good stuff to try out and examine.

The rosin is almost like a thermal paste and as the temps get to the point that amber is melting, I don’t think the rosin is much more than a burned off layer. It doesn’t seem to be there in the bottom of the pot for long. At least you get to see my dollar store strainer. It’ll be used later when transferring the finished varnish into a jar.

To get this setup in a pot, I just flip the strainer over and the resin goes on the bottom. It probably doesn’t matter where it goes, though – it melts so easily it’ll end up on the bottom like oil.

I’ll bet there were ways to get amber hot (preheating it in oil or partially in oil or solvents or something), and later in nearly sealed vessels. Not an option for me.

At the same time, I weigh out 10-11 oz of washed linseed oil in a separate pot.

the proportions here are intended to come up a little short of a quart jar. 10 ounces baltic amber, 2 ounces rosin, 10-11 ounces linseed oil, 11 turpentine, though you’ll see later that a lot of the turpentine doesn’t survive the cook and more needs to be added later.

I got into the habit a while ago of making varnishes in about equal parts oil and resin, though some of the resin is cooked off, and both times I’ve made amber, probably 10-20% fails to melt and I don’t chase perfection at the risk of burning away or charcoaling the whole batch.

if you read around the internet, there are some surprising quotes about how much resin is burned off. Sometimes as much as 80%. There’s a reason, I don’t know what it is. I try to keep as much as I can and not cook it longer after it seems to be uniform and unchanging. More on that later.

There’s a bunch of stuff to carry – I pour turpentine into the jar that I’ll be using for the final varnish, and everything including the k-type thermocouple and reader goes into the box. K-types can go far hotter than we’re going, but a lot of the cooking thermcouples end around 570F and we’re going past that.

I’ve got an aluminum funnel, and not seen is a finer screen for inside of it as well as the dollar store sieve to be used as a large-trash sieve before the fine screen when pouring the hot varnish in the jar.

This stuff is all filthy and the pots are sometimes sticky around the edges- it’s just easier to put it in a box.

My cooking area is a fire pit. I walked outside and it’s windy. It may sound dumb, but if it’s windy, the pots will be affected temp wise, and this isn’t the time to have a cold side on a pot. So I use the same stuff I use to insulate the forge – kaowool, and wrap it around the resin pot sides and affix it with stainless “picture hanging” wire. Kaowool is a great insulator and it will withstand stupid temperatures. Whether it’s resin or something else melted on forge kawool – you can always just light the stuff on fire and burn out whatever is in it and the kawool will remain. You have to get into cutting torch ranges to do much to it quickly.

This is my setup. The dots on the lids are from testing drops of prior batches. If I run out of space, as inexpensive as the Farberware pots are, or whatever they are, used, I’ll just pitch them and get new. In reading early on, Holtzappfel or another book (can’t remember) suggested enameled cast iron pots are the top of the top for varnish making. They were talking about purpose made pots, and not cookware, but figure the same will be true. I have three that I bought used, and just haven’t used them consistently for anything other than heating oil. If you clean things, you may want to consider them – they are definitely better and more uniformly in temps along the sides.

I don’t remember reading anywhere to use kawool, but proposed it to someone else and they beat me to it. I also don’t remember reading much about using a thermocouple, but on easier varnishes, I adopted it for ease after testing a non contact thermometer vs. the thermocouple. Non contact types seem to be confused by pot sides, reflection in the oils and resins and smokes, and I wouldn’t trust them – especially for this. Reading 200 degrees cooler than actual could lead to skin grafts.

I am familiar with my electric burners. 10 oz of oil on 3.5 on the right side will eventually get to about 575F, and high temperature resins need almost all the left burner will provide. This cheapie goes from a couple of warming dots to 1-5 and then “max”. 5 will cook this resin terminally at about 650-700F. Another burner that I bought will not reach these temps – you can hear its thermal cutoff shutting it off. It stops around 550, which does nothing for us. No advice other than buy until you get what you need. Assume the burner will be destroyed and thrown away at some point, because it will. If something catches on fire on this one and it damages it, then I’ll get another.

I’m doing most of the heating here with the lids on – they are not air tight, but they are fully seated. There’s water in the oil. even with the lid closed, it will eventually steam out. I didn’t fully dry the resin here, but same effect, and just as with cooking, it will hit the lid and condense and dribble back down for a while. when checking to see progress and without the temp being too high, I leave the lid off for a minute or two to let as much out as possible. To have the resin hot and liquid and dribble water off of the lid into it could be disastrous. Even tiny rain drops will cause little tiny bits of hot resin to shoot out and they will burn you even if they are the size of a grain of sand.

After some time working the way up temp-wise, we’re here. How long? I don’t know. i don’t dawdle the cook up to temperature, but it’s also not on “max” because it’s too easy to burn the outside of the resin and start a process of just smoking and turning the whole batch into carbon. This is a feel thing and it’s easier learned with more cooperative stuff.

Once Amber starts to run, it smells hellish. Like burned tires and dead animals. I chose a windy sunny day because the smoke would not linger and I keep the lid on both for purposes of maintaining heat and to be a better neighbor. On a windless day, one will make enemies in a hurry.

I’m not attendant while this is heating up – I know the setup pretty well and know what will get the resin to 500F or so, so this is at the second check. the oil is not getting up to break temperature (just below 600F) at this point because the run will take a while and I just don’t care to smell it or try to push it that far in prep. The way I make varnish in terms of how thick the varnish ends up is to get the two parts prepared and combine them, and then after that, choose how long to cook. It can be done other ways, but this is easiest for me.

You can see that the pot bottom is at 615F and the resin is not in any hurry to melt. I put the lid on at this point and walk away for a while. You cannot hurry here and fall into the trap of wanting to blast the amber resin with heat – it will just create a char layer on the bottom and you’ll be lucky if you don’t ruin the whole batch. I’m treating it like an exploratory activity, slowly climbing until there is some resin appearing around the sides. I’m paying little attention to the oil at this point, but I know it’s safe to take the lid off now.

in the rare case that it rains as a surprise – because this will take several hours – I lay plywood over the top.

As the temperature increases, I remove the lid tilting the far side up and wear long sleeves and gloves.

At this point, it’s a waiting game -the resin is testing patience and begging to be smoked into a batch of worthless char. All in, the resin isn’t horribly expensive – it’s about $50 a pound, but that and the time involved is enough to discourage ruining it for no good reason.

There is a strong breeze from behind on the day of this cook, so I don’t wear a half face respirator. Usually it is mandatory – the amount of smoke and stink at this point is pretty mild, but it’s also carried away on the wind. It’s not to be breathed.